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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Wed May 29, 2019 12:35 pm

Muppet wrote:1st step in the stop Boris campaign :clap2:

I dont really care who stops him as long as somebody does not that I think it'll be Rory, tipped Gove as the next leader long ago :biker:


2nd step in stop Boris :agree1:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Trampas » Thu May 30, 2019 9:23 pm

Maybe they do a trump on it with Boris. Try to hard and only increase his supporters to come out more

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:51 pm

Brexit Party 1/6 to win Peterborough by election according to this :WTF:

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Re: Poms and Europe

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:56 am

Muppet wrote:Brexit Party 1/6 to win Peterborough by election according to this :WTF:


Dangerously close result, we need Brexit MP's like a dose of herpes. :spliff:

Turnout was down nearly 20% which was no surprise but dangerous to draw too many conclusions from the result imho. :biker:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:27 am

I remember the days when I thought politicians were basically good honourable people :oldgit: :lol:

That includes old lefties like Tony Benn, he said this in 1975:

Industry Secretary Tony Benn, who had come under criticism from the prime minister during the campaign, said: "When the British people speak everyone, including members of Parliament, should tremble before their decision and that's certainly the spirit with which I accept the result of the referendum." taken from this

I've seen people who I'd had reasonably high opinion of bastardise the the meaning of democracy, claiming a 2nd vote is an extension of it. :shock: People can change their minds etc blah de blah de blah. That only holds water when an original vote is enacted & then, at a later date can hold another vote to change that decision.

A 2nd vote certainly aint democratic but concede it may be necessary cos we are where we are :mrgreen:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Schlocky » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:22 pm

this whole farce has shaken merkel to her core :OFFS:

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Postby Muppet » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:18 pm

My joy at seeing the back of this coont was short lived, he's back. :sad:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:58 pm

How can anyone claim to know this without knowing how much of our home grown sheep will be bought here rather than pay considerably more for imported lamb :hmmm:

Linked for imported lamb may work, it did, now it isn't for me, details blocked :dunno:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:12 pm

I hope it works, we need a general election & if Corbyns elected PM, so be it, its called democracy :mrgreen:

Boris will have to stand on a no deal manifesto which will cause problems for some but who gives a fook. :Isay:

Labour will stand on :dunno: The danger for Labour, they could portray Corbyn as a decent honest chap, different to most other politicians :lol: That ship has sailed, 2 examples, he promised to stick with Trident but weeks after the election bragged he'd of scrapped Trident within weeks of taking office :whatever: He implied that he'd 'sort out' Student debt past & present but denied it after the election :monkey: There'nothing honest about the anti Semitic terrorist loving cunt

Libs to revoke Article 50 :spank:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 am

Whatever Next, a business not predicting gloom & doom. :Isay:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Yorkshire Exile » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:13 pm

Muppet wrote:Whatever Next, a business not predicting gloom & doom. :Isay:


fancy that from a tory life peer :shock:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:29 pm

Yorkshire Exile wrote:
Muppet wrote:Whatever Next, a business not predicting gloom & doom. :Isay:


fancy that from a tory life peer :shock:


I'll assume yer not suggesting that all tory peers are pro brexit :dunno:

Cos I'm struggling to see the the relevance of yer post :hmmm:

The man was stating his opinion which appears to be problem for those who dont share it :Isay:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Yorkshire Exile » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:32 pm

opinions are like arseholes....


I just trust independent arseholes more than those with a political motive

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:12 pm

Yorkshire Exile wrote:opinions are like arseholes....


I just trust independent arseholes more than those with a political motive


Interesting choice of word 'independent' :hmmm: A bit like beauty, which is in the eye of the beholder. ' :spliff:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:35 am

Looks like 'we' wont be the only one slipping into recession with a no deal :hmmm:

Self harm all round :drunken: :mrgreen:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:07 pm

Will struggle to retain the seat in a strong leave area I'd of thought :hmmm:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:15 pm

If he's genuine & its a bloody big IF, he should agree to support calls for a different Unity leader in preference to him :mrgreen:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:06 am

Liberals aka, fairweather fookers have justified that description by a rapid change of direction :beglee:

Swinson will make May look sharp in the not to distant future & that aint easy :biker:

However, I would agree with her about Ken Clarke who imho is the best leader the Tory's never had :WorldCup:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:59 pm

Personally I find the outrage of the Boris bus hilarious. :lol: It disappears into insignificance compared to this outrageous bullshit scaremongering. :biker:

Common sense should surely scream that its at least equally possible that the scaremongering matched the bus influence on peoples decisions. :hmmm:

Smug George sat behind the editors desk should shoulder some of the blame as to why 'experts opinion' is so easily dismissed by so many these days. :hmmm:

I've always respected Ken Clarke & that's accepting I dont agree with all his views but I think he's generally trusted/respected by most imho & he's a staunch remainer who voted for a deal :Isay: Unlike so many he accepted the decision of the referendum that he feels such never have been offered in the 1st place. :oldgit:

For the record, I said years ago, probably somewhere on fiso, I didn't believe in a referendum on the EU, it should be put into a general election manifesto in or out. :spliff:

Found it: :blind:

Post by tclist » 04 Aug 2013, 16:57

murf wrote:
Surprised wrote:
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AkNotSpur wrote:
During my recent 3 week visit to the UK, I spoke to many people - from both sides of the political and public/private sector divide - and not one was in favour of leaving the EU.
if there was a vote tomorrow we would pull out.
Yet almost every single poll that has ever been done on the subject shows you to be wrong.
They are both wrong.

A fair proportion would vote out but I don't think it is quite over 50%.
I agree it could be a very close vote & I'll admit I'd vote out but.................................................common sense must surely enter into the equation? I dont think its a good time to be creating even more uncertainty & for that reason if a vote was in the near future, I'm not certain I would vote out now?

I'm not a fan of referendums, the government should decide, get the mandate in a general election imho.

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Yorkshire Exile » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:18 am

Project fear. :relaxed: :baseball:

Think is the most reasonable worse case scenario..... Not actually the worst...

Suspect many of the risks will compound in ways which have not been considered

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:53 pm

I cant see anything new in this highly 'secret document' that hadn't been previously speculated tbh. :hmmm:

Anyone who thinks that the economy wont be damaged & that there wont be job losses are delusional, the only doubt is by how much & for how long imho :mrgreen:

Despite what MP's will claim, its them who have put us in a no deal default position by voting against a deal :biker: That's not an opinion its a statement of fact. :oldgit:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:23 pm

Its been a while since I'd heard Lord King latest views on Brexit so I found this but I suspect this 'expert' will be dismissed as a senile old arsehole cos his opinion is different to theirs. That said, I'd struggle to agree with all his opinions particularly on potential job losses :hmmm:

Surely reasonable to say the EU's economy is in a worst state now than in March when King was speaking & to be fair, so is ours. :Isay:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Only fick people voted for brexit, obvious init :beglee:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:40 pm

Might as well throw this in as well :Isay:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:13 pm

Personally, I think it takes balls to do this :spliff:

I cant see how he can avoid a General Election to make any new legislation feasible :hmmm: but it'll open up a few cans of toxic worms. :beglee:

Personally, I wont be voting, not that I've anything against my MP who voted 3 times for a deal :agree1: This Tory government have been dire, useless & incompetent & as much as I despise Corbyn if he's elected PM the country will get what they deserve but thats democracy at work :mrgreen:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:18 pm

I agree with my mate Jacob :lol:

I'll take a punt & congratulate Momentum for so many turning up at the march :clap2:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:55 pm

Diane Abbot says "We cannot allow Boris Johnson to shut down Parliament and to shut down the voice of ordinary British people.", she appears to have forgotten that parliament has already shut down the voice of the ordinary British people when they voted in the referendum. :mrgreen:

These manufactured protest full of candy floss anger will fool nobody :biker:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Tim Bisley » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:37 pm

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:09 pm

I could have tipped the pound plunging on a leave vote comrade :lol:

I'd call it a gutsy punt on a result most of us weren't expecting :hmmm:

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:20 am

Fair enough, I've never had a problem with it tbh.

However, I can visualize a problem for the EU:

UK have guaranteed they wont put up a hard border in Ireland.

The Irish government have said they wont either.
So November 1st people/traffic will flow both ways as before & as illegal as it probably is, whose going to stop it :dunno:

The EU wont have any influence over us but they could be the ones to 'order the hard border' in Ireland because 'they' need to ensure the integrity of the single market & they certainly cant have that with an open unchecked border.

Edit:

Totally wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgFT6bIGqiQ

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Re: Poms and Europe

Postby Muppet » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:07 am

I'm struggling to make sense of the EU's approach to the Backstop. :dunno:

They claim it's to prevent a hard border but the only one who will insist on one is them :WTF:

I believed that WTO terms would require a hard border, wrong :Isay:

In reality its all bull shit that the EU are united in backing Ireland, in truth they dont give a fook about them, its about the other 26 & the integrity of the single market, fair enough but call it what it is & dont pretend you give a flying fook about the Irish. :spliff:


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